Wednesday, May 10, 2006

An Historical Perspective: A Work in Progress

An historical perspective? What will my, as yet, unborn children learn about this time in history?

I don't care for this question because there is little to no way to be sure. I have opinions on it but before those are expressed, I would like to respond to specific points posed by rogue.

...almost twenty years out, [Reagan] is praised as a cornerstone of the Republican party, as every would be candidate strives to be labeled a "Reagan Republican."

Reagan is without a doubt on of the most popular Republican Presidents of all time, just as Clinton is one of the most popular Democratic Presidents of all time. But they are still widely criticized by their opposing sides of the aisle. Reagan is no more popular with the Liberals than he was when he left office and Clinton no more popular with the Conservatives. The reason for this isn't necessarily that their time in office was of particular benefit to the country, it is because the public has forgotten the crazy stuff they tried to (or did) pull off but they remember their great public personas. Nobody immediately thinks about Reagan's plan to militarize outer space by putting lasers on satellites to shoot down Soviet nukes or that he granted amnesty to illegal aliens, and hardly ever do we mention Clinton's NAFTA (which is either the greatest accomplishment for international trade in recent years or a terrible detriment to America's economy...depending on which pundit you listen to). We remember their personalities; they were likable. Everybody saw Reagan as a surrogate grandfather: Yeah, he does and say some crazy crap sometimes, but God love him, he means well. We remember Clinton as that goofy friend we all have that without fail (in a car full of guys) will say something to the effect of, "Looks like we've got Sausage Fest '06 tonight." But neither will be popular with the other side anytime soon.

...How much longer will the insurgency fight? How quickly can Iraq form a new government? Will tribal differences tear their new nation apart?

The insurgency will fight at some level as long as we stay in Iraq. We are in the difficult situation of trying to stabilize a region where we are a major de-stabilizing force. If we leave right now I can see three separate nations arising from what is now Iraq: one for the Kurds, one for the Sunnis, and one for the Shiites. Each with it's own, relatively stable government. There would still be tensions between the nations and possible wars, but American's wouldn't be getting killed. This is what i believe we should have worked toward when we first set about rebuilding Iraq's government: three independent nations; the idea of a unified Iraq is nice in theory but these ethnic and religious tensions permeating the country are too great to allow for true stability.

...If Bush gets a Democratic congress or a more evenly split congress, he can expect headache after headache for the next two years.

Yes, he can.

...If McCain were to win, Bush's foreign policy would be largely continued. Perhaps better managed depending on who McCain puts at DOD and State. The point is that even though the victory could be largely McCain's, Bush' s theory would be supported in the history books.

While I agree that a similar foreign policy will be carried out under McCain, I disagree that (if successful) "Bush's theory" would be validated, much less supported, by history books. Bush's policy has been executed so poorly and seen in such a poor international light that even if McCain uses the same theory (but executes it correctly and efficiently) it will not be viewed as a continuation of the "Bush theory" especially since McCain has been such a vocal critic of how the war is being waged.

...Bush is a self described "wartime President" and will be remembered as such. The failure of some of his initiatives to even get off the ground (Social Security private accounts), will be largely forgotten as will his successes on the domestic front.

Will be forgotten? They already have.

...What will be remembered is the move of the Republican Party, under Bush, away from fiscal discipline...A "Bush Republican" is one that won't tax, but he also won't hold on to the pocketbook.

Neo-conservatism: a political philosophy having little to do with anything new and even less to do with conservatism.

...Will history see him as a kinder, gentler Republican? Or as a drunken frat boy, blowing his trust fund?

I don't think you have to worry about Bush being considered a "kinder, gentler" form of anything. No other President in our time has been so antagonistic and openly disdainful to the media and any who criticize his decisions. And neither will he be remembered as a frat boy.

As I see it, there are a few possible outcomes regarding how he will be remembered:

  1. Assuming McCain is elected and is successful in the Middle East, Bush will be the guy who toppled the Taliban. A lot of the Iraq mess will have been forgotten 50 years down the road. If McCain settles it in Iraq, it will be McCain's success story not Bush's. This is the best possible outcome for Bush that I see: a guy that reacted decisively after 9-11 was further involved in the Middle East but never really accomplished anything after Afghanistan.
  2. If a Democrat is elected in '08 and he/she pulls us out of Iraq, Bush has a good chance of going down in history as the worst 2-term President ever. Bush would be LBJ without the social programs; Johnson (not that he was a true 2-termer) would be remembered as an absolutely terrible president had it not been for his tremendous strives in the civil rights arena and even with those he's not remembered with a great deal of fondness...'Nam will do that to you.
  3. If elected and McCain or another Republican cannot settle the Iraq situation, Bush will just be seen as the first of the bad deciders, which is (in a way) better for him then being the only bad decider.

4 Comments:

Blogger Daddy Rogue said...

Excellent points, Stereo. A well thought-out and written post indeed. Of course you only had like a week and a half to come up with it, so I'm suprised it didn't seemed rushed. Kidding, Kidding. I gotta say, I hope Bush finds a way out of his seeming inevitable trip to the bottom of the Presidential pile, but I don't see how. Sad, 'cause I'm a Bush supporter. Really looking forward to Rhythm's post. I tossed you a softball here, buddy.

Wednesday, May 10, 2006 at 2:00:00 PM EDT  
Blogger nicholas said...

it was a softball. that's why it took so long to respond to. it's hard to get all fired up about hypothetical future histories (that's a confusing phrase).

rhythm hasn't posted in almost a month...i'm looking forward to him posting anything! damn lazy liberals. :)

Wednesday, May 10, 2006 at 3:08:00 PM EDT  
Blogger nicholas said...

yeah, benz, i thought about that. who knows? it might be easier to work out some sort of agreement between 3 sovereign nations then it will be 3 separate cultures within 1 government. remember the US is kind of new at this nation-building thing but we've been in the bureaucratic game for centuries. my point is the 3 nation plan has just as much chance (if not more) of working in the long and short term as the "unified iraq" plan does...and probably less american bloodshed.

Wednesday, May 10, 2006 at 5:12:00 PM EDT  
Blogger nicholas said...

you may be right, vershal...and i am sorry it took so long to respond. i think there are a lot of factors that will play into how this presidency is remembered. i don't think that the scandals will be forgotten, and i think that the possibility that bush will be loved by historians at large is pretty slim (not impossible...but slim).

i think you are correct in saying that history will not be blind to the successes in afghanistan (although things are not going extremely smoothly over there either) but iraq will dominate the section of the history books dedicated to this presidency.

good post, vershal, thanks for coming around the site. i hope that you keep reading and posting your side...that's what we're about.

Friday, May 19, 2006 at 3:53:00 AM EDT  

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